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Sway updates: we changed your default terminal and also added the entirety of i3-gaps with none of the downsides
KDE updates: kwin_x11 crashes 100% more often now
Gnome updates: we removed the file selector
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Saphire Lattice
saphire@dragon.style@charlotte amdgpu updates, this post is left unfinished due to having to reboot
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Lucent
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I do legit wonder how people has so many issues with KDE/Plasma, I probably had KWin crash once over the last year, and I'm using it on different machines with different hardware, including one with a fairly legacy NVIDIA GPU (2013-ish)
I do legit wonder how people has so many issues with KDE/Plasma, I probably had KWin crash once over the last year, and I'm using it on different machines with different hardware, including one with a fairly legacy NVIDIA GPU (2013-ish)
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The Real Coffee
coffee@kakafe.ga@charlotte can't really understand what's going on with KDE, seems to be getting more and more bugs :/
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it hoots for thee
owl@u8.is@charlotte The worst thing I ever got in a Sway update was an opt-in experimental Vulkan renderer that required half a gig of Vulkan debug stuff to run.
Maybe KDE should make all the buggy stuff opt-in and experimental too. :)
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Lucent
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@charlotte
the smallest machine where I run Plasma (X11, not Wayland) got 4 GB of RAM, but got a 1.5x ram/swap ratio just in case I want to suspend to disk (it's a laptop), never had any noticeable issue, but I never noticed swap getting used either, anyways it might be the culprit, so a swapfile might be a thing to try to rule it out
the smallest machine where I run Plasma (X11, not Wayland) got 4 GB of RAM, but got a 1.5x ram/swap ratio just in case I want to suspend to disk (it's a laptop), never had any noticeable issue, but I never noticed swap getting used either, anyways it might be the culprit, so a swapfile might be a thing to try to rule it out
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@charlotte any reason you're still running x11?
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Lucent
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yeah, I assumed that the disk was already fully assigned, that's why I proposed a swapfile so that you can eventually get rid of it if it's not solving the issue, plus it's the suggested way to do it when using ZFS.
since you mentioned ZFS, might it be that the kernel is unable to relinquish some cache and you end up with an OOM situation?
since you mentioned ZFS, might it be that the kernel is unable to relinquish some cache and you end up with an OOM situation?
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Lucent
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I chuckled, but while hyperbolic it's unfortunately true, especially considering my work desktop (running pretty much the same setup I have at home) got 24 GB of RAM and I'm using nearly 4 just to run Teams, TeamViewer, a browser and the interface for the PBX.
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Lucent
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I mean, the biggest issue is that nearly all modern applications moved from being native to either pseudo-interpreted PLs (Java being the biggest culprit) or outright PWAs in a self-contained browser (Discord, Teams, Zoiper, Spotify all being Electron apps). The latter is for sure the biggest culprit considering how widespread it is and the reputation that Blink/Chromium got as a memory hog.
On the bright side, there are still applications going for full native instead of being yet another PWA wrapped in Electron, first coming to mind being Telegram Desktop (it's a Qt5 application written in C++). Hopefully their endeavour will push other companies into tackling a saner approach in distributing software.
On the bright side, there are still applications going for full native instead of being yet another PWA wrapped in Electron, first coming to mind being Telegram Desktop (it's a Qt5 application written in C++). Hopefully their endeavour will push other companies into tackling a saner approach in distributing software.
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Lucent
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I mean, the blocking IO confined in the foreground of Telegram Desktop for sure is detrimental to the performance of TDesktop, but at least it doesn't impact the entirety of your system by slowly eating up segment after segment of RAM. Agreed that memory leaks are a thing, but not as blatant as Electron.
QtWebKit is unfortunately there in the mix because of the whole "channel stats" gimmick which works pretty much by serving HTML over MTProto
QtWebKit is unfortunately there in the mix because of the whole "channel stats" gimmick which works pretty much by serving HTML over MTProto
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Lucent
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Absolutely this.
It's been a while since last time I launched Minecraft, is it still only compatible with the (now) legacy 1.8 JVM? Because the newer JDKs seem to be wildly more efficient at garbage collecting and managing memory to scale.
I still cringe thinking at how inefficient the server is/was, especially when going for the usual mods (I used Spigot back in the day, pre-Bukkit takedown)... 16 GB of RAM to host 15 people
It's been a while since last time I launched Minecraft, is it still only compatible with the (now) legacy 1.8 JVM? Because the newer JDKs seem to be wildly more efficient at garbage collecting and managing memory to scale.
I still cringe thinking at how inefficient the server is/was, especially when going for the usual mods (I used Spigot back in the day, pre-Bukkit takedown)... 16 GB of RAM to host 15 people
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Lucent
lucent@antani.pm I mean, they must thank the fact that RAM nowadays measures bandwidth on the order of 20-60+ GB/s for DDR3/4, so getting plenty headroom even on machines going to be 15 years old.
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flauschlump :ad:
flump@gedankenlie.be@charlotte :D
but for real, KDE freezes minimum once a day now for me D:
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