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Sven Slootweg, ("still kinky and horny anyway")

There is no meaningful difference between "border security" and the idea of "one group primitively kills another group when they enter their territory".

We've just dressed it up in institutional language and outsourced the cruelty to those who like doing it, so that we don't have to watch it happen and can pretend it doesn't. So that we can pretend it is 'humane' and 'reasonable'.

Just like I'm sure every group historically made up some moral justification for killing other groups.

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@joepie91 “this is causing a humanitarian crisis so we violently expel them where they can have their humanitarian crisis right in front of our doorstep instead”

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@joepie91 and simultaneously “You do not look like you belong here and since we are near the border i will make specifically you identify yourself (and nobody else)”

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@joepie91 this is just cartoonishly evil because like

europe is definitely more than capable of housing and treating some tens of thousands of migrants well. you know who isn’t? the much poorer neighbor nation of morocco

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Sven Slootweg, ("still kinky and horny anyway")

@charlotte it turns out that when you listen to politicians, 'capable' is a very flexible concept that is mostly defined by willingness

you know which country is being *vastly* more difficult about "ability to house migrants" than spain? the netherlands. which on every economic metric would be *more* capable than spain

but no, we "just don't have the housing capacity", please don't look too closely at the 20 years of bad housing policy and refusal of the government to take its responsibility as a housing provider seriously because 'teh free market'

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@joepie91 every time i read about dutch housing i despair

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Sven Slootweg, ("still kinky and horny anyway")

@charlotte it's 100% a policy issue, specifically a neoliberalism issue

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@joepie91 everything everywhere is fucking expensive, endless waiting lists for social housing, nothing is up to code because what are you going to do about it as a renter, and then extremely bullshit restrictions on who can live in homes together and who cannot

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@joepie91 either way improving the country for foreigners improves the country for everyone

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@joepie91 fun fact, every single usage of the word 'humane' is in context of trying to legitimize institutionalized cruelty. i genuinely have never heard it used in any other context

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@charlotte @joepie91 kinda sounds similar to the situation here in Germany too. Except for the restrictions on living together, I don't think we have that in Germany, having roommates is perfectly legal here as far as I know.
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Sven Slootweg, ("still kinky and horny anyway")

@Li I think the only other context I've heard it in, is 'humane technology' when it's used to push back on the status quo

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@LunaDragofelis @charlotte @joepie91 (honestly it could be worse, I'm no longer homeless after half a year)

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Sven Slootweg, ("still kinky and horny anyway")

@charlotte so we *do* actually have a lot of mechanisms for dealing with shitty landlords, it's just that a) temporary housing contracts (now finally mostly banned) were exempt from them, and b) because of their proliferation, people seem to have collectively forgotten what you *can* do with normal rental contracts

like for example, almost nobody seems to remember that if all else fails and you've tried all reasonable steps, you can literally just hire a contractor at reasonable market rate to fix the issue and just withhold rent equivalent to the cost

(I have actually done this in the past with a landlord who was being shitty about the deposit, I just didn't pay the last two months of rent or so, roughly equivalent to the deposit)

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@joepie91 mm like seriously just noticing that its just .. prisons are 'humane', the state murdering people is 'humane', border control is 'humane', the armykilling everyone is 'humane', the police brutalizing you is 'humane', etc, etc;

like its just a thing you tell yourself to feel better about the shit your doing or something 🫠

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Sven Slootweg, ("still kinky and horny anyway")

@Li yep

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@charlotte also of course when you're an immigrant nobody tells you any of this fucking shit and landlords are *counting* on that

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@LunaDragofelis @joepie91 i think the german housing market is only regionally fucked, unfortunately the regions are whereever you can find jobs. also it massively prefers long-term renters (my parents could not afford moving to a smaller apartment, even if it is in a worse part of town)

meanwhile i don’t think i would be able to find a place to live in NL with my current budget and my gf’s place is not accessible to me either

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@joepie91 this post goes really well with my worldview post @ https://catcatnya.com/@navi/117018298864104993

It fits into "The world must adapt to how I see the world", which is "time to get rid of what doesn't belong here because I think so"

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