can we just kill usb-a to usb-c cables already so manufacturers are forced to put usb-c on their computers ffs

@nano doesn't work well right now because pc makers put no usb-c cables on their shit besides like what apple

@Connie thats exactly my point
making all the cables usb-c to usb-c increases demand for usb-c ports which in turn forces manufacturers to add them

@nano that would make all older computers obsolete tho, which would kind of suck

@susul provide 2 usb-a ports in the end of the transition, just like how motherboard still has parallel and serial for YEARS after usb

@nano but what about this funny problem USB-C <-> USB-C have

@mo @nano TIL macbooks are bottoms

@astrr @mo this isn't a fix this is intended behaviour for usb-c. usb-a is a host connector, usb-b is a slave connector, usb-c is bidirectional, meaning its smart enough to talk to your operating system and perform handshakes to determine what is going on

@nano computer cases should be forced to include a usb type c port in the front. my mobo has usb type c in the worst position

@mo @nano lets be real, the only reason people like USB-C is that the connectors aren't constantly falling apart like micro and they're not difficult to plug in like USB-A.

Nobody actually cares about the weird bullshit where either end can be host. they just want a connector that isn't terrible.

@snickerbockers @mo i actually do care about the bidirectional nature of usb-c quite a lot, its come in handy lots and lots of times

@mo

@nano

Why have hardware standards gone to crap as of late, and why is USB the worst offender?

@Tathar @mo hdmi 2.1a lol

@mo @nano A phone and a laptop can just have software that lets the user pick which one gets charged, but I wanna know whether my Sony headphones or my Pixel Buds are more subby

@mo @nano oh my God, my phone is a bottom? This explains so much

@mo @nano I continue to maintain that the correct solution to this from a UX perspective is to sell unidirectional USB-C cables that only permit power to flow in the direction of the giant arrows that would be printed on it. Thus it's real easy for users. Just follow the arrows on the cable.

@mo @nano I tried this with my Framework laptop and it stole charge from my phone, but on the second try it charged the phone

@NightEule @mo probably depends on which end you plug in first

@nano can we just kill usb-c already so we can go back to normal usb

@amberage what the fuck no????

@amberage @nano Well that is certainly
A take

@alfredohno @amberage the almost objectively wrong take. usb-c is superior to usb-a in almost every single way. keeping usb-a forever hampers technical progression

@nano @amberage Well yeah and even just user friendliness wise, usb-c is more durable, reversable, cleaner, smaller, and in general just a far nicer experience. Plus it means we don’t need to have a different port on phones and computers, which has always been obnoxious

@alfredohno @nano the different ports are a feature, not a bug, though. and usb-c tries to be fifty things at once, which is confusing and not helpful at all. if you can't tell what kind of cable you got by looking at the plug, your design has failed. usb-a and -b make it very clear if you're looking at data or not, at a host or periphery device, etc. with usb-c, it could be power, data, display, audio, or network. one size fits all has never ever worked and is nonsensical, and the sheer amount of old devices and cables made obsolete by putting fancy trendy usb-c in everything and the sheer amount of pointless adapters make usb-c an ecological/waste disaster as well, not to mention that for makers, it's harder to work with a connector that has 30 pins vs one that has 4. it's just an all-around failure and corporate bullshit with zero benefits beyond stuff that looks good in marketing brochures.

@alfredohno @nano "universal" (makes billions of devices obsolete by introducing a new connector)

"serial" (used for charging)

@amberage @nano Have you heard of adapters?

The thing you need infinitely more of, by the way, when everything is a different connector

@alfredohno @nano if you need an adapter, you're doing it wrong and are trying to plug things into each other that aren't supposed to connect

@amberage @alfredohno the protocol is the same, its just a different connector

@amberage @alfredohno obsoletism is a necessary evil for technological progression

simple adapters are never going to stop existing, you can always adapt usb-c to usb-a. in my case, i usually use them so i can plug usb-c things into my pc, which doesn't have that many usb-c ports

plus, pcs will likely continue to have maybe 2 usb-a ports for years to come. some motherboards from the 2010s still have serial and parallel ports. pci-e cards are also still a thing for things like firewire

@amberage @nano And on top of that, it has universally only ever made my life easier, I’ve never had the issues you’re describing and you’re the first person I’ve heard complain about it. You don’t have to guess what the cable does if it does everything

@alfredohno @nano unambiguity is good. i want to see a cable or port and immediately know if it's meant to run data, power, display, audio, or network; i want to look at a device and know right away if it's supposed to be periphery or not.

@amberage @alfredohno when i see usb-c port, i immediately know it's likely to do almost everything. umambiguity is user-hostile and not a good experience

@nano @alfredohno technological progress for the sake of progress is nonsense. just because we can doesn't mean we should. USB-C is a solution desperately looking for a problem. you're supposed to solve problems, not create solutions and make up a problem.

and my computer has 16 USB-A ports.

@amberage @alfredohno the problem is every device requiring a different connector and people having to own multiple different kinds of cable

the solution is one single connector, one protocol, and one cable that does everything

usb-c is a solution to an existing problem, a problem that has plauged us since the invension of usb-b and probably further beyond