can we just kill usb-a to usb-c cables already so manufacturers are forced to put usb-c on their computers ffs
@nano doesn't work well right now because pc makers put no usb-c cables on their shit besides like what apple
@Connie thats exactly my point
making all the cables usb-c to usb-c increases demand for usb-c ports which in turn forces manufacturers to add them
@nano that would make all older computers obsolete tho, which would kind of suck
@susul provide 2 usb-a ports in the end of the transition, just like how motherboard still has parallel and serial for YEARS after usb
@snickerbockers @mo i actually do care about the bidirectional nature of usb-c quite a lot, its come in handy lots and lots of times
@NightEule @mo probably depends on which end you plug in first
@nano can we just kill usb-c already so we can go back to normal usb
@alfredohno @amberage the almost objectively wrong take. usb-c is superior to usb-a in almost every single way. keeping usb-a forever hampers technical progression
@alfredohno @nano the different ports are a feature, not a bug, though. and usb-c tries to be fifty things at once, which is confusing and not helpful at all. if you can't tell what kind of cable you got by looking at the plug, your design has failed. usb-a and -b make it very clear if you're looking at data or not, at a host or periphery device, etc. with usb-c, it could be power, data, display, audio, or network. one size fits all has never ever worked and is nonsensical, and the sheer amount of old devices and cables made obsolete by putting fancy trendy usb-c in everything and the sheer amount of pointless adapters make usb-c an ecological/waste disaster as well, not to mention that for makers, it's harder to work with a connector that has 30 pins vs one that has 4. it's just an all-around failure and corporate bullshit with zero benefits beyond stuff that looks good in marketing brochures.
@alfredohno @nano "universal" (makes billions of devices obsolete by introducing a new connector)
"serial" (used for charging)
@alfredohno @nano if you need an adapter, you're doing it wrong and are trying to plug things into each other that aren't supposed to connect
@amberage @alfredohno the protocol is the same, its just a different connector
@amberage @alfredohno obsoletism is a necessary evil for technological progression
simple adapters are never going to stop existing, you can always adapt usb-c to usb-a. in my case, i usually use them so i can plug usb-c things into my pc, which doesn't have that many usb-c ports
plus, pcs will likely continue to have maybe 2 usb-a ports for years to come. some motherboards from the 2010s still have serial and parallel ports. pci-e cards are also still a thing for things like firewire
@alfredohno @nano unambiguity is good. i want to see a cable or port and immediately know if it's meant to run data, power, display, audio, or network; i want to look at a device and know right away if it's supposed to be periphery or not.
@amberage @alfredohno when i see usb-c port, i immediately know it's likely to do almost everything. umambiguity is user-hostile and not a good experience
@nano @alfredohno technological progress for the sake of progress is nonsense. just because we can doesn't mean we should. USB-C is a solution desperately looking for a problem. you're supposed to solve problems, not create solutions and make up a problem.
and my computer has 16 USB-A ports.
@amberage @alfredohno the problem is every device requiring a different connector and people having to own multiple different kinds of cable
the solution is one single connector, one protocol, and one cable that does everything
usb-c is a solution to an existing problem, a problem that has plauged us since the invension of usb-b and probably further beyond