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@puniko
Bitte wieviele Alarmsignalemittierdingsis habt ihr eigentlich?

@wakame soweit ich weiss gibts hier nur zwei unterschiedliche alarmsignale. eines für generelle dinge und das andere spezifisch für flutungen

@wakame das ist aber glaub ich nicht überall so

@wakame (und ja, überflutungen sind auch mitten in den bergen eine reale gefahr)

@puniko @wakame Wenigstens habt ihr dort ein öffentliches Alarmsystem. Soweit ich weiß, haben wir in Spanien nur Handy-Warnsysteme … wenn die Politiker sich mal wieder daran erinnern, wie man sie benutzt. Wir werden hier alle sterben, wenn es wirklich einen Notfall gibt.

@cinnamon @wakame we also have an alert system for phones in addition to the sirens

@puniko

In Deutschland ist das viel einfacher.

Z.B. in den Schulklassen wartet man am Probetag darauf, dass es 11 wird, dann sagt der Lehrer: "Achtung, Probealarm." und macht so ein Alarmgeräusch.

Und die Schüler antworten dann im Chor: "Der Probealarm funktioniert. Jetzt fühle ich mich richtig sicher. Danke, Friedrich Merz."

@puniko @wakame I wouldn’t expect less from a serious country

@wakame @cinnamon it looks like this. its a dedicated app

@puniko @cinnamon

Now I imagine those... snowflakes(?) as emoji and I can't unsee it.

@wakame @cinnamon honestly, i should create an emoji pack with those icons some day

@wakame @cinnamon they are not really iconic but maybe i could build a bot afterwards that reposts the alert on fedi

@wakame @cinnamon btw the alert swiss stuff is also provided as a website: https://www.alert.swiss/

@puniko @cinnamon

Nice. Very swiss.

@wakame@tech.lgbt @cinnamon @puniko@mk.absturztau.be is .ch not god enough anymore?

@fabos @wakame .swiss is a bit special. super pricey and you have to meet a bunch of requirements to obtain a .swiss domain. its basically the “made in switzerland” quality seal for domains.

@puniko

@puniko @wakame @cinnamon why is the first thought of politicians to get people to install an app nobody installs and requires internet racconnectivity to function, instead of using the emergency broadcasts functionality that has existed for decades and just requires any cell tower in range to broadcast the warning

@charlotte @wakame @cinnamon
its not like that isn’t planed or being worked on at all

https://www.babs.admin.ch/en/multi-channel-strategy

@puniko @wakame @cinnamon
i find the priority wrong and likely causes people to miss emergency warnings

cell broadcasts are not some new fangled technology, it predates smart phones and has been widely deployed by mobile network providers since at least 2008. they place very little requirements on the device receiving them (it doesn’t require a ractive internet racconnection, or even have a sim raccard at all…) and infrastructure wise require a lot less than any phone app requiring push notifications will

it also, like, doesn’t require an app you first need to install and oops your phone is not supported for some reason. it’s part of the operating system on phones

which yeah the app is more versatile and all and likely useful regardless of that, but when an emergency hits the most likely alarms that’ll tell you will either be physical sirens or cell broadcasts

@charlotte @wakame @cinnamon you don’t have to argue with me about that, i do agree with you. switzerland should have implemented that channel way earlier than just now

@charlotte @puniko @cinnamon

Special case Germany:

We discovered this totally new concept "Cell Broadcast" around... 2 years ago?

Then decided to use longer channel numbers that are of course only supported by newer smartphones.

So if you dont't have Android 11 or iOS 16.1 or higher, you are not notified.

We also have an app. Which... works sometimes, I guess.
Personally, I never got notified about an emergency on my smartphones ever.

Neither through the app nor cell broadcast.

Q: Why hasn't Germany implemented proper cell broadcast?

A: Because the people who are deciding the technical details lack competence and rational thought. Likely drinking varnish all day, which is a favorite pastime in german politics.

@wakame @puniko @cinnamon germany is a good case study on how not do it

they only started doing anything about it once people literally fucking died due to lack of emergency notification infra

@charlotte @puniko @cinnamon

That could have been one reason for doing emergency notifications.

The actual reason people died in Ahrtal 2021 was because the relevant politicians decided not to sound the alarm.
After warnings checks notes by the European Flood Awareness System that started four days before.
And the german weather service two days before...

Yeah, so... as I said: Incompetence.

@charlotte @puniko @wakame Phone network broadcast (ES-Alert) is what is used in Spain (allegedly, since I’ve never seen it working in my area, not even for tests). But then they screw things up by completely forgetting about RDS (on car radios) for traffic alerts, and instead deploy a completely new emergency beacon system based on cell networks