Charlotte 
/Cinny 
charlotte
linux “capitalism” torvalds to permanently erase all operating systems for 486 systems retroactively
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Charlotte /Cinny
charlotte
i find the linux-libre response to the 486 removal in linux Very Funny because like
their entire thing is breaking perfectly functional hardware due to not meeting arbitrary ideological purity standards (it’s like, actually arbitrary)
but then we get to vintage hardware (genuinely about 40 years old!) which nobody is using for linux and they treat it as this huge ewaste issue
i suppose it makes sense for when your standard of a bleeding edge computer is an ancient thinkpad laptop ☠️
i don’t even think any one of them even run modern linux on 486 because that sounds between unusable and absolutely miserable
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Ben Lubar (any pronouns)
ben@lubar.me@charlotte can any 486 computer that exists even run the latest version of linux prior to the removal on any existing distribution
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@ben @charlotte oh, i did that about fifteen years ago on a 486 laptop
i had to use an older slackware because that's the only thing i could find that would let me install from floppies
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Ben Lubar (any pronouns)
ben@lubar.me@owls @charlotte yeah but like
is there a linux distribution that that laptop can run now
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AENS System (usually November)
aens@transfem.social@charlotte Like, computers keep advancing and getting faster and having more resources, and new ones keep being made. Once something is so old that, like, getting something newer and faster is not going to be a significant financial consideration, why waste dev time supporting it?
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Charlotte /Cinny
charlotte
@aens yeah the implication that it is a completely reasonable course of action to make a revival 486 pc today and run the most recent version of upstream linux on it. or the implication that ~40 year old hardware isn’t already exclusively found on landfills and offline collections
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AENS System (usually November)
aens@transfem.social@charlotte Like, there are genuine advantages to newer hardware that aren’t just handling the latest bloatware/bad optimization. I’m really appreciating higher-resolution displays, personally. As much as consumerism is bad and all, I don’t see the downside of “just buy newer hardware” iff it’s not a case where people would struggle to afford it
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@charlotte @aens I hate to break it to you, but #Vortex86 chips are still newly being installed in #embedded #industrial setups as they are the only #SoC|s / #SOM|s in production with native #ISA support thus essential for a lot.of legacy systems that can't be replaved on a whim.
- And yes, the #Vortex86SX & #Vortex86DX are #i486-based.
And yes, I do want a minimalist #Linux for `i486`, WHICH IS WHY i started @OS1337 …
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AENS System (usually November)
aens@transfem.social@kkarhan @charlotte Yes, but why do legacy chips used in embedded applications even need to be running the latest kernel in the first place? If it’s a legacy system, just don’t plug it into the internet and never update your software in the first place
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@aens @charlotte mostly to be able to bridge stuff and be able to at least act as "rescue system" for backup & restore.
- And the more modernnat least that is the less brodging you need.
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bachimusprime@void.lgbt
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Charlotte /Cinny
charlotte
@bachimusprime @aens thinking about that one attempted melonds user that demanded to be able to run it on windows 7 32 bit on a 64 bit machine
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if someone doesn't *need* a newer device, yes that's a reason to avoid emissions (and if someone can't afford it, that's a reason in of itself to keep old ones useful)
EDIT: idk if "getting something newer and faster" was meant to include used devices, if so that mostly eliminates this as a serious consideration (the "afford" part is still relevant, though I doubt a 486 replacement is a financial burden... an "unsupported by Windows 11" PC replacement yes)
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AENS System (usually November)
aens@transfem.social@nyanpasu64 @charlotte I wonder how that stacks up against newer stuff tending to be more energy efficient. But yeah, perfectly good stuff shouldn’t be replaced, it’s just a bit harder to argue that a computer is perfectly good when it’s multiple decades old
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AENS System (usually November)
aens@transfem.social@nyanpasu64 @charlotte Yeah, I was very much intending to include used stuff that was only one decade old instead of many when it comes to upgrades
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bachimusprime@void.lgbt
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@charlotte sometimes im using librebooted x60 32bit just to tinker with it and its painfully slow at times, browser support is trash and i can open max 3 lightweight tabs on firefox idk how anyone can use that as daily. At least i can try compiling and running the most minimal software i can find on some random git page
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it/its kitten 
nyanpasu64@donotsta.re
ended up waiting it out until he stopped using 32 bit
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