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@charlotte Yeah that makes sense, didnt think about that.

@CppGuy @charlotte
You calling your car a bone-shaker is different from a social group co-opting a word specificly made to sound like less morally acceptable slurs, making joke about this closeness, and using it in a way that very much derogatory and as if the machine had feeling.

@Seiryn @CppGuy there is also no multi-billion dollar industry trying to sell the car as a feelings machine that will be just like a human very soon™

@CppGuy @charlotte
The n-word. There have been many joke about "clanker with a hard r"

"clanker" isn't a slur

@charlotte do we need to ban slurs entirely or do we need new, more potent slurs against our oppressors?

can't win by only defending

@CppGuy
@charlotte

Typical tech bro take

@deadpan_c @charlotte But it sure fucking tries to be.

@flesh @charlotte

no lmao

@flesh @charlotte

why would you willingly spend time defending a demographic that quite literally does not exist

@flesh @charlotte

it’s like getting pissy when someone calls an elf “knife ears”. there’s nothing offensive about that because elves don’t exist. it’s the same reason why i can call dumbledore a mana snorter. he does not exist.

@deadpan_c @charlotte
People who are being called slurs do exist. And being fake racist about fake people and throwing around fake slurs is still playing with the rhetoric of racism.
Not to fucking mention the people who absolutely do use it as an excuse to disguise their actual racism by replacing the words the want to say with the trendy botspeak.

@deadpan_c @charlotte It is quite literally the point? If it wasn’t trying to be a slur, it wouldn’t be anything.

@flesh @deadpan_c it originated as an in-universe slur for robots in star wars. the thought process behind how it is used in-universe is exactly the same as it is for slurs in the real world for real humans. i think it is not unreasonable to infer from that that you still think slurs conceptually are fine, the issue to you is just who they are used against

@flesh @charlotte

i think you’re massively overthinking it. it’s an insult towards sentient robots from a 20 year old video game. key word: sentient robots. that don’t exist. would you get pissy over someone calling an elf knife ears?

@flesh @charlotte

name one person who’s calling an ethnic minority “clankers”

@charlotte

@deadpan_c @charlotte correct, and yet there is a disturbing number of people who wish it could be so that they have an excuse to do The Bad Thing to a sanctioned target, and I think that tells us something about who they choose to be

@charlotte @Seiryn @CppGuy also i'm starting to doubt a lot of the folks who like to use "clanker" actually understand that there really is no capacity for consciousness, intelligence, sentience, etc. in an LLM

@charlotte Yep slurs are cathartic

@charlotte lol that deadpan guy is a insufferable reactionary, but also kinda right. I mean, if AI had feelings then it could be a slur technically 💀

@deadpan_c @flesh @charlotte look at the meme again. It explains why that is the wrong question to ask

@charlotte nonlinear algebra

@charlotte I see the logic but the problem with this is that clanker isn't a slur

@charlotte I dont want to tag others in this thread individually but I just want to point out that it very much is also being used against real people with prosthetic limbs.

@ocean @charlotte what is it then exactly, because a lot of people are using it like one

@pan @charlotte I'm sorry WHAT

@gonzo_askold @charlotte "can't win only by defending", says the firefighter, aiming a flamethrower at the burning house

@AVincentInSpace @charlotte

you know actually firefighters do use fire to extinguish another fire.

imagine there is huge forest fire and the wind blows in a direction of a small river. it's not enough by itself to extinguish the big fire but,

you can set everything near it's coast ablaze and create a burned out zone using that small fire obstacle as a precaution measure.

done in front of a big forest fire, small fire contains it and prevents uncontrollable spreading

@gonzo_askold @charlotte somehow I do not think that will work with slurs

@charlotte I clicked through to look at your other comments and good lord. I'm so sorry you have to deal with this.

@deadpan_c @flesh @charlotte People started using it against people with prosthetics.

I feel like it's safe to say that the meme has been ruined imo. Like Pepe used to not be an alt-right thing, now it is.

@charlotte I don't care about LLMs themselves. I care about who owns them and the purpose they are used for.

@nlupo @charlotte
And what things are used to train LLMs by the people that train them.

Scraping the internet for every little scrap of information, not caring one iota for the privacy of anything or that material is copyrighted or not, or whether someone else sweated to create it, is not the right thing to do.

There is not one bit of original thought in LLMs, but certain people market them like they can 'create new things'.

Or marketed as tools, so you can fire half or more of your employees for more shareholder value, while enshitifying your product even more.

And of course anyone who tries to defend those people is a tad suspect when you think about it.

@MeiLin @charlotte This is connected to the things I've pointed. The people who do that lock down their code and method of training so they can extract value from everyone else. They scrape everything on the internet as part of their grift in order to take something for free and to sell you shit. It's a modern version of the enclosures.

@AVincentInSpace @charlotte

https://phys.org/news/2025-11-forest-carbon-big-resistant-trees.html

yees

@gonzo_askold @AVincentInSpace please show how this is how it works with slur usage. consider that the oppressors have built a large moat around themselves that makes it impossible for the fire to reach them

@charlotte @AVincentInSpace

you gotta enjoy the burn

@gonzo_askold @charlotte you ever heard of lateral violence?

@AVincentInSpace @charlotte

you wanna imply there's natural hierarchical order and some members are predestined to be in a particular set, class dare I say?

I don't believe that someone is better or worse than me, so I don't get why some violence would be classified as "against my kin" and other is "against our common enemy".

violence is destructive, but some argue creative destruction is good for everyone.

@charlotte

there's always crude, violent option to every choice.

the problem with modern reactionary is that they are to bored not to press the big bad red button.

I just see it as a simple tolerance "paradox", with simple, in theory, solution: no tolerance for the intolerant.

if we extinguish all slurs, the intolerant would not receive their expected violent response to their coercion of public morals, so tolerance would not be upheld.

@gonzo_askold @charlotte literally what?

if there's no meaningful distinction between violence against your kin and violence against our common enemy, why is it okay to use a slur against our oppressors but bad to say the N word

with each reply I become more convinced you're trolling. you've got about 1 reply before I block you

@AVincentInSpace @charlotte

things are not predetermined, but continuously evolve.

future is not known, so there is no reason to believe that someone would not change,

but in the past someone may done something wrong and that should be retributed according to the rules of particular society.

violence shouldn't be use to solve societal problems, but there are people willing to do it anyway, so society should always be ready for violence.

@AVincentInSpace @charlotte

to extinguish local fire you bring special elegant tools such as extinguishers

to combat forest fire you surround it with your safe firewall and let it suffocate itself and burn through out of it's resources.

I can be offended at a slur use and still use slurs... "responsibly"?

yeah I called it that. responsible use. "procreational"?

I only say N word in a rap verse about white police systemic violence, get me?