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the way some people who use LTS distros as daily drivers on their personal devices talk about rolling release (or even snapshotted releases with more recent packages like fedora) makes me wonder why any of them trust open source developers in the first place.

like, ive had conversations with people who act like arch users instantly get 10 different system-breaking bugs every time they run pacmam -Syu. idk, i just genuinely cannot comprehend the mindset of trusting EOL versions of packages with spotty backported security patches (which even big distros like debian are struggling to provide these days due to manpower issues) over the developers’ own fixes and improvements to that software. unless you’re literally installing nightlies and exclusively using the git versions of AUR packages, i cannot imagine a world where rolling updates is a regular issue more often than once or twice a year

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@silicasandwhich i think a lot of this is down to every rolling distro being treated as an arch-like, as in incredibly user hostile for no particularly good reason

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@charlotte or more specifically, always being hostile to the user throughout every step of the process of using the distro. arch pretty much gets out of your way and makes it easy to do what you want once you've gone through its humiliation ritual of an installation process. installing packages is one of the simpler things to do with it.
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@silicasandwhich the biggest issues is its package management imo

arch keyring issues, news on the arch website not being relayed at all, literally anything involving the linux kernel or initrd (like the current kernel being immediately deleted which is somewhere between “plugging in devices that don’t have the kernel module loaded for yet do not work” and “oops your /boot wasn’t mounted and now you rebooted into a system that can’t mount /boot”

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@charlotte yeah that's fair, idk why they expect users to check the news site every time they update. it seems very easy to me to integrate that into the package management process, but i guess the concern is breaking scripts. then again, just adding a new flag that conveys any news affecting packages you're updating would suffice there, i feel, so idk why this usage model is still in effect
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