charlotte
halva@mk.absturztau.be
i feel like im going fucking insane, i haven’t once had my passkeys rejected by anybody, across android hardware backed, google password manager, bitwarden (stored on vaultwarden on my own premises) or protopass
what are you people talking about
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Ada Freya
ada@zoner.work
@halva i’ve only had it fail on linux until bitwarden updated support for it.
it’s not failing because it doesn’t work, it’s failing because it’s prompting you to add a passkey while you’re logging in which means you are context locked onto an objective and don’t give a shit about anything else.
the onboarding process is godshit.
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charlotte
halva@mk.absturztau.be@ada tbh that’s just called “breaking the least surprise principle”
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@ada i generally consider any smart autologin of any kind a deeply strange thing, going straight to webotp without asking first is the same
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@halva to a normal user passkeys are some random new bullshit you don’t care about popping up pushed by google/microsoft/apple, it’s in the way stopping you from doing what you want.
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charlotte
halva@mk.absturztau.be@eri have you actually talked to normal people about this? ran any UX studies?
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@pancakes it’s kind of in the same category as any autologin jumpscare
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i just think its bad ux to create a passkey for me unprompted just because i went to my account settings to find a previous order (pretty sure that's what happened to me)
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@pancakes yeah, it’s managers being managers and trying to turn everything into KPIs, same thing happened to TOTP being shoved into your face at every opportunity for 0 actual benefit
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@halva i think you’re the one who needs to step out of your bubble to understand this, not me
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Furbland's Very Value = 71 Account™
GroupNebula563@mastodon.social@eri @halva as someone who engages quite frequently with Normal People(tm) i can confirm that having to go grab your apple iphone 6s to open the youtube app in order to tap the number it gives you is not ideal for when your nan just wants to check if she has any new emails from the bingo club at the rec center
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@GroupNebula563 @eri ios passkey sync requires icloud keychain on ios 16+ and the 6s maxes out at ios 15
also, for the record, google’s number tapping isn’t passkeys, it’s their own proprietary flow from approximately the mesozoic era
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Charlotte 
/Cinny 
charlotte
@halva tbh i can’t reliably get passkeys to work and seemingly the big tech intended workflow is to store the passkey on your apple or googled android device then pair the phone via bluetooth to use it in your apple or google browser which seems like a massive, brittle, chore. and google refuses to support 3rd party passkeys on about 50% of android devices in use
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