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🔥 Mireille Sillander 🔥

Cities must be primarily for biological life instead of machines

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@Mimesatwork yes but also “without fees” is a very American viewpoint.

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@zed @Mimesatwork as if public toilets in eg. europe were generally free to use 🙄

("free to our customers" is not free. sure, public libraries usually have free toilets, but there are only so many public libraries)

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@Stoori @Mimesatwork I point it out specifically because toilets are often not free, but .50€ is a negligible amount and if charging a minuscule amount is what enables plentifully available toilets the that is ok.

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@zed @Stoori @Mimesatwork no, they should be free. that's what taxes are for.

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@sammy your preferred model of a “shitable city” is that they be free. But it is possible for a city to have adequate public toilets and for those toilets to be paid. That is the only point I am making.

I too prefer that public toilets be no charge, but the framing that the must be free otherwise it doesn’t count as a city with an adequate amount of public toilets is incorrect.

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@zed no, if the toilet is not accessible to everyone, it is not enough

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@sammy is making toilets no charge at the time of use the only option for making a toilet accessible to people for whom .50€ is too much ?

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@zed @sammy like, what's the point of having to carry around a bunch of change, and then have people going from loo to loo to collect that change?? it's basically a make-work program for coin handlers at that point

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@zed @sammy yes that is indeed the only way to make sure there is access. you can’t means test in a way that charges everyone who can afford 50ct and not charge anyone who can’t afford 50ct

that isn’t even to mention that a growing amount of people could afford 50ct but don’t have 50ct of cash on them. and it would be unreasonable to expect them to get 50ct coins at that point because the closest atm outputs only 5€ bills or larger with comparatively big fees. and 50ct is so little that card payments would just basically eat the payment

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@charlotte @sammy @zed will nobody think of the children? They should nt have to spend their allowance on that shit 😱 😇

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