What do you mean that American Traffic Signals don't interlock crossing paths to red on green signal??

When i see a green signal, i assume the path is completely cleared for me.

Not "oh watch out for cars coming around the corner because they are also given green light", wtf??

@ShadowJonathan turn right on red is the wildest stuff for me

@ShadowJonathan germany also does that

@ShadowJonathan I assume there are exceptions to that, but the number of accidents I've seen on YT videos were people turning left on green get t-boned by people going straight on their also-green signal is staggering...

You're apparently supposed to move to the middle of the intersection and either YOLO it or effectively wait until the light turns red and floor it before the cars on the now-green intersecting path get to your car...

@ShadowJonathan oh btw the signal can expect you to walk faster than the 10km/h that is considered “walking speed” for cars

@ShadowJonathan it means you have right of way, the car should wait for you to clear the crossing. (I'm assuming you're going straight, and they are turning, so the normal rules apply.)

Unless it's a really weird crossing

edit: "it means you have right of way" is poorly worded, it is true in this case though. "normal rules apply", I guess?

@ShadowJonathan Eh??????

Crossing paths are supposed to have a stop aspect. O.o

@dragonarchitect yeah exactly

But i feel like the rules are looser in America than they are in the Netherlands, because I've seen multiple instances of people talking about turn-right car traffic colliding with green-cleared pedestrians

@ShadowJonathan The Dutch technical term for it is "deelconflict". The drivers get a VR09 or VR10 sign, telling them to be aware of pedestrians or cyclists. This sign is promptly ignored by said drivers.

@alyeska honestly I'm fine with there being a supplemental sign, because it reminds drivers of an exception to the regular rules and expectations

@nanianmichaels @ShadowJonathan it sounds like you're describing Melbourne hook turns

@ShadowJonathan Lots of traffic signals in Germany works like this too.

@ShadowJonathan yeah cars here can always turn right, unless there's a sign specifically saying not to or a red arrow. Red/green light doesn't matter for right turns. So in intersections without red arrows or "no turn on red" signs, there's never a time when a car is guaranteed to not go through the crosswalk

In my area, which is pretty walkable, there are lots of red arrows, but also the cars are MUCH more conscious of pedestrians than I was used to before moving here. On non-major roads they'll frequently stop for people standing near an intersection or walking up to the edge of a sidewalk, before they even start to enter the road (which is not something I was used to in Minnesota)