This one's funny.
https://pawb.social/post/20191649

Hell, even Mullvad uses WireGuard.
https://mullvad.net/en/help/why-wireguard

@soatok way many more than just them, AFAIK

@viq Yeah, I just though the confidently incorrect post trying to claim I don't understand this space was funny

@soatok I'm still amazed how much you enjoy reading these bad comments on your posts :)

I just wrote a very positive comment on your signal series for our internal newsletter... I have to admit that I did only read 1/3 of it, though - but it's on my reading list :~|

@ligasser Haha thanks <3

@soatok I think NordVPN does too

@GiorgioComitini Yeah maybe.

I'm not really a "VPN service" recommender.

@soatok "WireGuard isn't a VPN, it's not advertised on the sides of buses"

wireguard is not a VPN
ok but it literally is though

@soatok

@soatok I guess personally what qualifies it as a working VPN is traversing CGNAT

@rey @soatok “since my favourite youtuber has never been sponsored by WireGuard, I conclude it isn’t a vpn”

@soatok annoyingly proxy service operators have really made people misunderstand what it means to be a VPN, in that they create a private network that doesn’t physically exist

and wireguard is……literally that.

I haven’t used any proxy service enough to know, but it seems to me that they offer you a private ip address that they then route via NAT, with limited or no ability to contact other devices in that network, kind of like a ISP-Provided CGNAT-ed WAN interface which i wouldn’t really count as a proper private network

@soatok although to be fair, the one ISP i had with a CGNAT did implement it so poorly that it was actually a private network

…I could just connect to other customers with absolutely no filtering in place. They knew this was an issue because they told their customers to turn off stuff like file sharing in windows

@soatok I like how this is disputed by simply like
going on the wireguard.com
or
or looking up their slogan
or logo that includes slogan

@soatok Although arguably the most cursed part is that my router received ARP requests.

not from my other devices, of course i would expect that.
or from the modem, which i also get

……but from microtik networking equipment asking what mac address some internal ip address had

@soatok what the fuck is a VPN then if wireguard isn't? Like it quite literally is one.

Also Cloudflare WARP and WARP+ use it. I set that up on pfSense when routing for my ISP was fucked at the IX in Atlanta but Cloudflare could still peer with them. Worked like a charm.

How is that not a VPN? Sorry he can't just hook it up to LDAP or RADIUS like OpenVPN or L2TP but it's absolutely a VPN.

This really feels like the destruction of a term in the same way Discord destroyed what 'server' means.

@soatok I don't think I understand what their rationale was here. Maybe I am wrong but I am pretty sure if you follow the quickstart guide to Wireguard on their website you will end up with a VPN tunnel to a server of your choosing, and the wg-quick manpage even teaches you to add a kill switch to a wg interface.

@chickfilla Their entire argument is categorically false

@soatok Them responding to the most minor push back with moving goalposts and "sorry not interested in speaking with you personally" is the most online commenter thing I have ever seen, it is so bizarre and weird.

@soatok so according to them this wireguard thing I have between my phone and my home network, so I can access stuff while away isn't a VPN? Wonder what they think it is?

@soatok "being generally usable" I'll let Mullvad know that the VPNs I've been using for years on every devices is actually unusable because an idiot said so online. Also on my way to get rid of the WireGuard I use to route external traffic to a NUC behind CG-NAT, because, again, "unusable".

@deetwenty @soatok Probably something along the lines of my favorite network diagram ever:

@soatok its not a real vpn if you dont have to lie to cisco about the hostscan when connecting

@soatok when someone who is blatantly wrong and/or lying is opposed to a thing, that's one of the highest recommendations for the thing

@soatok Key indicator for non-experts is that the other party has gone ad hominem. This is rarely a good sign for the strength of their argument. :D

@soatok the VPN that i'm working on also uses wireguard

@soatok same energy as "I'd just like to interject for a moment. What you’re referring to as Linux, is in fact, GNU/Linux, or as I’ve recently taken to calling it, GNU plus Linux."