Ok so hear me out laziness isn't real but what if, get this, people that use a machine to do their work for them have a disease instead. This is not me just internalizing Calvinist/puritan work ethic.

@charlotte Using a machine to do their work or relying on an evil 8-ball as their sole means of reasoning?

@flesh
Being wrong about the capabilities/limitations of llms not a pathological condition

@charlotte I mean, no.
Still wrong, tho.
And not really something that can be reduced to “using a machine”.

@flesh
LLMs are just machines (pieces of software*) though

Whether they are useful for the task at hand is a separate question neither asked not answered here

@charlotte Yeah, nah. Stripping off the entire context doesn’t make for a good argument.

@charlotte LLM or warehouse automation, if they're getting rid of jobs without supporting workers, the disease is called "capitalism"

it's terminal

@flesh

I don't think the exact kind matters unless you are trying to say that users of llms inherently have pathological issues

@flesh @charlotte the argument being described is one that does not distinguish based on what type of machine or any other information about the machine. it is (most likely) one using protestant work ethic as a reasoning because it is convenient and already present in the societal zeitgeist, rather than taking the effort to target the actual flaws and pitfalls of LLMs.

@azalea
@flesh

Yeah. I intentionally avoided commenting on the quality of the output, it is also not particularly relevant. My point is more that i believe it to be human nature to avoid doing things not considered enjoyable. Most technology (that hasn't been built with the intent of harming another physically) has been invented to get closer to that. so using technology that you personally believe will require less labor on your end is at face value a rational decision, even if you are misinformed about the tech's capabilities

@charlotte @flesh tbh doll thinks there can be value in “effort”, but capitalist society means that… most things (jobs especially) are actively incompatible with that

but also….. yeah. using tools to do things is kind of… the thing humans do. awawa

@azalea
@flesh this idea flies in the face of Calvinist/puritan work ethic however, which has became culturally ingrained in certain places. It is also frequently used to attack disabled folks, belittling their inability to do something as a personal failure.

And I felt like the argument I read was written in the same Calvinist/puritan mindset just with the arrows reversed. you aren't bad for using labor-saving tools, but instead you using them means that you have Good Reasons for it, such as being disabled

@charlotte @azalea Ok, I gotta explain myself here, because frankly the confrontational approach was rather misguided.
I do have to agree that begrudging people for using a technology to make things easier in abstract is, just, a bad take. And I’m not keen on using the label of mental illness as a condemnation or “gotcha”.
And I do agree that as much as I would wish otherwise, a lot of anti-AI sentiment is just reactionary. Not because “AI” itself is worth defending, but because it’s such a weird demon that normal people struggle to formulate good reasons to hate it without a lot of introspection about this broken system of things.
That said, I am deeply resentful of this technology and condemn its use neigh-on across the board. For reasons that have been gone over time and time again.
And I have seen “it’s just another tool” used as a bad faith or foolish excuse enough times to get ticked off by language like that used around the topic.
And many ethical concerns aside, while using LLMs in general is somewhat reasonable (assuming ons believes they’re good at their job), a lot of people can quite easily get overreliant on it, resulting in their actual personal skills atrophying. And for a lot of the work where the point is to write a lot of text, writing with intent and knowing what you wrote are important aspects of the work that the AI just doesn’t provide.
Also also, like, without the context of the original post, I can’t really judge what was said and can only make assumptions based on how it was described.