Ruth Mottram
Ruth_Mottram@fediscience.org
Received a (digital) letter from local authority informing me the parking fees will be increasing.
I don't have a car, so 🤷♀️ but I'm slightly outraged to discover that a residents permit only costs 250 DKK/year - up to 750 DKK for the most polluting.
An #EV is only 50DKK. *per year*
Just me that thinks that is *unreasonably* low (given we live in the centre of a highly walkable/cyclable city)?
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Tobias Merkendorf
t_mkdf@ruhr.social@Ruth_Mottram 750 DK seems still reasonable.
The residents parking permit for the street where we used to live did cost us 39€ in 2009.
But after a time we didn't renew it. Because parking without permit was only a 15 € fine.
And there were hardly ever any controls after the normal working hours. Or on the weekend.
So in the end we paid 39€ for one permit and 30 € for parking without. In 10 years of living there...
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@Ruth_Mottram Same discussion in Copenhagen. My neighbourhood is packed with residents' cars that rarely leave their parking spot. Why they can't settle for a car-sharing thing is quite beyond me....🤷♀️
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@Ruth_Mottram if you can afford to buy/hp, that is not going to touch the sides.
Your permits seem to be about air quality more than anything.
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@Ruth_Mottram Aarhus: ‘Hold my beer’ 💪🏻👏🏻
Can’t help mentioning that when I ran for city council in Frederiksberg, I responded ‘10 times’, when asked how much parking permits should increase. I wasn’t elected, but we are now halfway (the licenses were at DKK150 then).
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Ruth Mottram
Ruth_Mottram@fediscience.org@Niall Given the rather savage cuts the kommune has implemented in education - this hurts even more!
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LiselotteWiller
LiselotteWiller@zirk.us@sorenhave @Ruth_Mottram Det bliver også et større beløb for bil nummer to på Frederiksberg. Har ikke bil, så kender ikke beløbene.
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@Ruth_Mottram Gah, that's infuriating. Private parking permits are basically a year-long land lease on prime real estate in the city center. They should be priced *at a minimum* at the yearly land market value of the location. Probably more since there are infrastructure maintenance costs too.
Every parking space is like, what, 6M²? Meaning a fair value of unsubsidized parking should likely be in the range of X * 10.000 DKK/year?
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Felix Gilcher
xylakant@berlin.social@yosh @Ruth_Mottram A parking space in Germany is at least 5x2.5m - so at least 12.5 sqm - less than the recommended size for a kids room.
A reasonable at cost price including construction, maintenance and policing is around 220 EUR per year (1)
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These parking lots going to 100s of kr. are not for general parking. In Copenhagen parking in general is much more expensive getting up to around that per day which is more reasonably priced for that kind of prime real estate parking. (and that is with a period card which is the least expensive way)
That said it is still free for electrical (and Hydrogen) cars, which is just a decision by the city.
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Florian Laws
flaws@bawue.social@yosh @Ruth_Mottram almost. A parking permit does not guarantee you a spot.
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And its the same at the university, or in the Fælled park.
I knew of a few small places nearby outside of pay zones, but most were not.
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@yosh @Ruth_Mottram I live in a nice apartment building. Scaling my rent by floor area and accounting for all the floors, street parking should be worth ~$100,000/yr here. That's the average household income in this country.
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(source: https://www.statistikbanken.dk/BIL800)
2023 Families, total Families w…
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Ben Kimock
saethlin@hachyderm.io@yosh @Ruth_Mottram The US is pretty car-dependent generally, but I am about 400 ft from a public transport hub in a dense downtown. I don't own a car and I don't need one here.
But also I hate street parking even in the sprawl regions, which I avoid to the degree I can because they are the way they are.
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